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By: BBD

Were you thinking of Ollier and Pain’s model, by any chance, NIV?

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By: Steven Sullivan

NIV rides the high horse: ”By blocking your attempts to exclude all other voices, the law forces you to address the real issue.  ”That’s mendacity of the most odiferous order.  First,  science isn’t...

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By: Nullius in Verba

“All ‘voices’ are not equally worthy of  inclusion.” And that’s exactly why you’ve got problems. You don’t try to persuade by winning the argument, you try to persuade by excluding any opposition....

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By: Steven Sullivan

 Funny, the rhetoric you choose. Now it’s ‘opposition’, and scientists are supposedly trying to exclude ‘any’ of it? As regards teaching evolution, the  ’opposition’  trying to legislate its  ’voice’...

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By: Nullius in Verba

The judge in Dover PA had presentations of arguments from both sides – exactly what I’ve been saying. And as a result, science won.What do you think the judge would have said if the scientists had...

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By: Steven Sullivan

NIV, obviously judges do NOT believe *all* voices are worthy of inclusion in *all* venues. Otherwise they would not keep repeatedly thwarting the efforts of creationists to inject religion into science...

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By: Steven Sullivan

And I don’t need to remind you, do I, that science is not a court of law?  We don’t legislate (yet) what ‘voices’ scientists must listen to.  Plenty of people profess to believe in astrology.  If a...

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By: BBD

Steve Sullivan Thank you. I’ve been waiting for you to come back and say exactly this for what feels like a long time

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By: Nullius in Verba

#94/95, You’re missing the point. The very fact that creationists want to inject religion into science class means science teaching is broken. They ought to be begging you not to cover their religion...

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By: Steven Sullivan

What a canard.  Seriously, all it takes is money and political clout for something to earn a place in a  science curriculum, even if it;s only to show by a randomized DBT that it’s a joke?   That’s...

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By: BBD

Were you thinking of Ollier and Pain’s model, by any chance, NIV?

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By: Steven Sullivan

NIV rides the high horse: ”By blocking your attempts to exclude all other voices, the law forces you to address the real issue.  ”That’s mendacity of the most odiferous order.  First,  science isn’t...

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By: Nullius in Verba

“All “˜voices’ are not equally worthy of  inclusion.” And that’s exactly why you’ve got problems. You don’t try to persuade by winning the argument, you try to persuade by excluding any opposition....

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By: Steven Sullivan

 Funny, the rhetoric you choose. Now it’s ‘opposition’, and scientists are supposedly trying to exclude ‘any’ of it? As regards teaching evolution, the  ’opposition’  trying to legislate its  ’voice’...

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By: Nullius in Verba

The judge in Dover PA had presentations of arguments from both sides – exactly what I’ve been saying. And as a result, science won.What do you think the judge would have said if the scientists had...

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By: Steven Sullivan

NIV, obviously judges do NOT believe *all* voices are worthy of inclusion in *all* venues. Otherwise they would not keep repeatedly thwarting the efforts of creationists to inject religion into science...

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By: Steven Sullivan

And I don’t need to remind you, do I, that science is not a court of law?  We don’t legislate (yet) what ‘voices’ scientists must listen to.  Plenty of people profess to believe in astrology.  If a...

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By: BBD

Steve Sullivan Thank you. I’ve been waiting for you to come back and say exactly this for what feels like a long time

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By: Nullius in Verba

#94/95, You’re missing the point. The very fact that creationists want to inject religion into science class means science teaching is broken. They ought to be begging you not to cover their religion...

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By: Steven Sullivan

What a canard.  Seriously, all it takes is money and political clout for something to earn a place in a  science curriculum, even if it;s only to show by a randomized DBT that it’s a joke?   That’s...

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